Posts by Las Malvinas son Argentinas

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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The famous Croatian's begars mum was previously married and she came into possession of a large house in an affluent part of Wilmslow, his dad just took advantage of a jw woman that came with a free big house when he married her, no mortgage to pay like the rest of us.

This is confirmed in Lloyd's book. His dad came from Birkenhead, cross the river from Liverpool in what seems to be a lower middle class background. HIs dad's mum was a convert, so his dad has lived his entire life as a JW.

His mum was a convert herself. She was married twice before marrying his dad. The first marriage was to a man who concealed the fact he was gay. After that divorce, her first legitimate marriage was to a man named Robin whom she seemed to love. Robin already had a home in Wilmslow, a much better-off suburb than the one she grew up in in Eccles. Before she married Robin, she was already in contact with JWs as a study. Robin died in a house fire in 1974 when he fell asleep with a lit cigarette. His mum became a JW in 1975 when JWs consoled her in her grief.

His Mum married his dad in 1978 and he was born in 1979. He relates that he spent the first 4 years of his life in the same tall Victorian semi that his mum lived in with Robin. He doesn't specify if it had been rebuilt or repaired after the fire so one must assume it was since they continued to live there. Later at an unspecified date they moved to a smaller detached home from the centre of town. Evidently this is where his dad still lives.

So, it's actually the sale of his mum's second husband's tall Victorian home that bought their new home. This is interesting, since he did the same as his dad did in moving into his wife's family home.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

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Oh boy did he fail miserably in this regard:

But worry not, he still holds his own father accountable for his failings. Just don't talk about him disappointing and failing his own family, you might get sued. And if you are reading this Lloyd, YOU don't deserve to have the child pictured in your life after what you did to them and their mum over the past I'm going to say 3-4 years (probably more). Hypocrite and Liar.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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JFC what does any of that story have to do with anything?

His mum is the emotional crux of the book. He bookended it with her story and his updated letter to her when he was ready to publish. On the dedication page, it reads:

To Dijana, Jessica and Mum

No mention of his still living father and sister. It is clear that he sees himself as his mum's intellectual heir. She's brilliant and resourceful. Had she not been in in JWs and married his father, she'd have been a very successful and independent woman from his viewpoint. She went to art school as he eventually did, and he felt she was too intelligent for JWs. He opined that if he had the chance to reveal to her what he eventually found out about the org, she might have followed him out.

In contrast, he absolutely trashes his dad and sister. His dad was a bumbling fool; unattractive, clumsy, broke and not worthy in any way of his mum. His sister he describes as having emotional problems. He especially lit into her when describing her reaction to news that mum was terminally ill with cancer.

In many ways, he has become his dad. He inherited his looks from him. They are both awkward and thoroughly unattractive men who married women a few leagues above them in the looks department. Though they now find themselves on opposite sides, he's judgmental and so sure of himself in every way his dad was and is regarding JW doctrine. Lloyd has disappointed his wife and family in more ways than his dad ever fell short of his Mum's expectations.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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It seems like his Dad is wealthy so he probably learned a bit from him about the business side.

In his book, he was quite critical of his dad. He related how he was a secondary school dropout, had little aptitude for sales and was often getting sacked from his jobs. In contrast, his mum was the one who stepped up and took control of the family's finances by getting a job. This is a revealing passage from The Reluctant Apostate:

As far as higher education was concerned, Mum and Dad were actually quite progressive and open-minded in comparison to most Witness parents. I think this was due, at least in part, to the fact that both of them had experienced quite austere childhoods. Neither of them came from wealthy or privileged backgrounds. Both were raised to view financial security as something hard to attain and not to be taken for granted. It was also around this period that Dad seemed to start getting fired from various jobs as a sales rep with increasing regularity. He had flunked school as a child due to his own problems with bullying, which he attributed to his dyslexia, and work as a salesman suited his skills and personality perfectly. Dad is a larger than life character; a talkative man with a good sense of humor and a gift for retaining information that most would consider useless. Even so, when it came to selling things, he did have his shortcomings. Mum once told me of an occasion when his boss sent him for an appraisal of his sales techniques. The conclusion? Apparently “he could talk anyone into buying something, but then talk them straight back out of it.” The occasions when Dad would come home and tell us he had been fired felt like a bomb going off in our family, leaving us all in shock. Mum took it especially hard, since she was the one running the household accounts and paying the bills. She felt the strain more than any of us. When things got especially bad, Mum found work as a painter/decorator—a job she had a natural aptitude for due to her background as an art student. Her artistic streak and craftsmanship also enabled her to make some extra money from the occasional furniture restoration job. However, Mum suffered from severe migraines that were easily triggered by the fumes emanating from the paints and chemicals she used. Never one to give up so easily, Mum managed to find a less hazardous job as a part-time nanny for a local wealthy family while still doing the odd decorating jobs here and there to make ends meet. I will always admire her resourcefulness and willingness to do her part in keeping food on the table. Mum was entirely selfless in putting the family’s needs first. If Hannah and I needed clothes, she would not hesitate to go without buying any for herself to make sure we were presentable. Even in our bleakest periods, I cannot bring myself to think of my family as poor. I have seen true poverty, so I could never frame my childhood experience in that context. Despite many setbacks, Mum and Dad did very well at providing a comfortable, happy environment for Hannah and I to grow up in. We had all the usual gadgets and appliances. We lived in a nice house in a quiet neighborhood with a big garden. We had two cars in the driveway (our own car, and Dad’s company car when he was in work). We managed a holiday each year even if it was only a camping trip to the Welsh coast. [33] Out of the dozen-or-so young families in our congregation, probably ours was among the better off financially. Nevertheless, money was certainly never taken for granted in our home, and I think the challenges faced by Mum and Dad gave them a more pragmatic approach to college education than most Witness parents.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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That selfishness and pushiness is what got him into the Crisis of Conscience fiasco. Whoever the publisher was, they let it fall by the wayside, so Lloyd didn't even ask for permission but just snapped it up and started printing hard copies.

The thing about that whole fiasco is that he still insists to this day that he had only printed 5 copies through his Romanian friend, one of which was given away in a contest. In his lengthy Reddit post, he admits to getting a Cease and Desist letter from the copyright holder (Deborah Dykstra, a personal friend and caregiver of both Ray and Cynthia Franz) and pays her $50, or $10 for each infraction.

It is unclear as to how many were printed. You can take his word for it that it was only 5 copies, but he's dishonest and was really trying to cover his tracks. He was a lot more involved in this than his Romanian friend offering to print a handful of copies for personal use.

An email was placed to Arthur Weber after Lloyd referred people who wanted to purchase copies of COC to his email address on Facebook. Arthur did indeed confirm they were for sale. Nor did he deny Lloyd was involved with it:

Still no mention of Lloyd. No smoking gun. That's in the next exchange:

So in Arthur's own words, "Cedars and I set up this arrangement to see how many orders I can get through email".

Sounds like a business arrangement to me, designed to not only profit Lloyd, but also free advertising on the back with "JW Survey.com" printed prominently on the back and the added bonus of being the hero in the community who brought a much-needed book back into circulation.

We can go on and on about how we need to stop "obsessing over Lloyd Evans", but it misses the fundamental point.

People did move on from the COC debacle. People did move on from the time he attacked people for asking that their $150 donation for his second book go instead for another abuse survivor's story. People moved on from all these shithead attacks. condescension and outright arrogance.

It never worked. He kept upping the ante every time he got away with it.

Fast-forward to December 2021 - January 2022 where he just shit on all the work not only what he did for CSA, but for the ones he was working with in IICSA and on his channel. His wife was Whatsapping people in the community worried about her husband and what he was doing in Thailand. His solution was to outsource it to Kim and PB and let them handle her whilst he was off "dating" sex workers.

So the whistle got blown on him. Does he offer an apology for his actions? Is he sorry? No, we all got a "FUCK YOU" and told it's none of our business even after going on an hour and a half livestream airing all of his dirty laundry and taking aim at his detractors.

Fuck him. Over half his Patrons have left, with several high level donators like Kim, Truth Seeker Atheist and Vince Deporter pulling their support. He'll get no quarter from us and this thread might even still be going when his daughters learn how to google.

They need to know their father is a sick, twisted, disgusting manipulator and that he's made their mum's life a living hell.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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The problem with the doctor analogy is that his business is a charity whilst a doctor is on a set salary. Lloyd’s income is primarily based on people deciding to send him money for work he insists to this day “saves lives”, thus the reason for comparing himself to a doctor.

A doctor has undergrad, graduate and doctoral degrees. About 8 years of university education. They belong to professional organisations, are licensed by the jurisdiction they practice in and have to meet high professional standards in order to keep practicing medicine.

Lloyd went from art school, to landscaping, working as a legal secretary, proofreading his wife’s translations to “activism” for hire. He has no professional qualifications other than being a JW earlier in his life. He is not monitored by any professional authority so take his word for it that he’s saving lives and he needs money to do it.

He’s always leaned heavily on the altruistic nature of what he does and even had Paul Grundy come on here stating he could be earning so much more in the secular world.

His problem is not only that he cheated on his wife with prostitutes over several years, but he boasted about it to two unpaid volunteers.

Oh and he asked the same two people to mediate between him and his wife because he was busy getting well in Thailand. He wanted them to educate her that her husband seeing prostitutes and flirting with other women he met via online dating sites was a perfectly normal way of releasing the sexual frustration he was under.

Boys will be boys.

And he would have gotten away with it if it weren’t for those meddling kids!

He would have too because the sad part of this is his wife would likely still be tolerating this to some extent had the whistle not been blown on him.

If a doctor had been caught doing this, especially after making an emotional public statement to his colleagues that he needed a mental health break, he would have been asked to resign.

Not only did Lloyd not “resign”, he initiated legal proceedings on the whistleblower and colleagues who called out his behaviour, insisting he not be allowed to work there anymore.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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Other people have posted that Tibor's last name is Cecelja

Go back to page 138 for his real name, at least the one he gave Simon when signing up for this account. For context, Lloyd complained on Twitter about a “118 page thread” whilst not mentioning this forum by name.

Funny thing is, like everything Lloyd does to quell conversation about a subject he doesn’t want discussed, it actually gave this forum and thread more publicity and many who were unaware of this place signed up for accounts and are now regular posters.

Shortly after Lloyd’s “118 page thread” complaint, Kim signed up and answered questions people had and provided more details about what happened. Shortly after that, Tibor comes onto the scene, speaking perfect English and insisting that he was the one who alerted Lloyd to this thread as if Lloyd hadn’t had his own sordid history here and had regularly emailed Simon even after being banned about removing posts about him.

It totally wasn’t a reaction to Kim coming on here and revealing even more details about Lloyd’s Thailand trip. Nuh-uh!

Oh and he claimed he was here to debunk the “green screen” conspiracy theories. Only problem with that was with the exception of 2-3 posters, the majority here either didn’t believe it or said it didn’t matter.

And it doesn’t. Who cares how Lloyd films his videos, green screen or not?

If he does ever use the green screen, I would like to suggest the background of Jabba the Hutt’s throne room. You know, because Lloyd likes Star Wars, not because he’s greedy, dishonest, disgusting and morbidly obese.

Anyway, Tibor challenged Simon to verify his identity with his college email. This name somehow popped up:

Hrvoje Vujanić

This is the email Tibor himself provided here as means to contact him.

[email protected]

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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JFC, everything is an argument with him. He said in his original post, "I can't help but wonder how other parents have been replying to their kids..." Then a parent answers the question and he has a temper tantrum, and of course crows about all the "learning" he's done

He only wants feedback when it is at or near 100% in line with what his viewpoint is. The Patterson thread is a great example of that.

He’s irritated because he knows the commenter is correct about Croatia under the Ustase. He can’t stand to be “schooled” even while he does it regularly to everyone else. He wanted the focus to be on Hungary, Italy and comparing their present governments to the Third Reich. Always sees himself as the most brilliant person in the room and now that he’s on meds and his business has hit the skids based solely on HIS actions AFTER Kim’s revelations, he’s at a bit of a crisis point reconciling what he feels about his level of intelligence with real life consequences stemming directly from his stupidity.

At this point hardly anyone is listening to him. His comment about the IICSA inquiry still only has 12 likes and subsequent tweets about it have about 13 - 18 likes at most.

He’s lost all credibility on the issue and what’s more, his voice is no longer viewed as anything important. He’s quickly becoming more irrelevant by the day. His patrons are at 445, 6 up from his low of 439, and with the monthly drop little over a week away, this is a problem he should realise is not going away.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

original reddit post (removed).

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On the flipside, if the report had been perfect, he would be crowing about his time as a participant or commentator or whatever he was. His playbook is so predictable at this point.

Exactly. He was a “Core Participant”. He also knows this is his last hurrah regarding being involved with anything like this ever again. So especially going forward he’s going to be as critical of IICSA as he can because he has nothing to lose. He’ll also compare any future participants negatively compared to his own record, saying they didn’t push as hard as he did. He’ll make an attempt to be involved but when he’s rejected he’ll be quick to point the finger and claim that activism has suffered without his input.

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It's been a long 9 years Lloyd Evans / John Cedars

by Newly Enlightened in

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For context, here’s his former best friend Javier Ortiz on the same tweet by Richard Scorer:

He essentially shares the same viewpoint as Lloyd does about it not being enough but notice his generally positive attitude toward it. He’s not accusing IICSA of being a part of the CSA problem which is sensational and counter-productive.

Also: Nowhere on Lloyd’s tweet does he thank the participants of whom he is one. Javier does, as many other CSA victims have. He thinks being a sick to IICSA is really the way to go here.